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Arthur Nadata
Paul Durando
May 16, 2003
4:15 a.m. EST
Good afternoon and welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the
Nu Horizons Electronics Corp. fourth quarter and fiscal
year 2003 earnings conference call. At this time I would
like to inform you that this conference is being recorded
and that all participants are in a listen only mode. At
the request of the company, we will open up the conference
for questions and answers after the presentation.
For
purposes of the safe harbor provisions of the Private
Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, our statement
today may include certain forward-looking statements that
involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual
results to differ materially. Such statements are based
upon, among other things, assumptions made with information
currently available to the management, including management's
own assessment of the Nu Horizons industry and competitive
landscape.
At
this time, I would like to turn the conference over to
Mr. Arthur Nadata, President and CEO of the company. Please
go ahead, sir.
Thank you. Good afternoon everyone, and thank
you for joining us. I am Arthur Nadata. Here with me today
are Paul Durando, our Chief Financial Officer; and Richard
Shusta [sp], President of our NIC component subsidiary
and Vice President of Nu Horizons. As for my opening remarks,
Paul will report on the financial results for the fourth
quarter of fiscal year ended on February 28, 2003. I'll
then review a few of our current initiatives and finally
open the floor to your questions.
Continued
gross margin pressures in the semiconductor marketplace
more than offset a seven percent increase in sales volume
and a seven percent decrease in expense and interest costs,
resulting in the operating loss for the quarter in the
fiscal year as reported earlier today.
The
electronic component industry continues to demonstrate
difficult, short-term predictability. Calendar year 2002,
however, appears to have been a stabilizing year for the
industry as a whole. We believe we see the beginning of
a moderate improvement in the component marketplace worldwide
and in our current book to bill ratio, which is now better
than one to one. Price erosion continues but appears to
be slowing as some manufacturers are holding the line.
Before
I comment further, I will first turn the call over to
Paul for a review of the financial results.
Thank you, Arthur. Net loss from continuing operations
for the quarter ended February 28, 2003 was $1,776,000
or 11 cents per share as compared to a loss of $2,259,000
or 13 cents per share for the prior year quarter. Our
top line sales from continuing operations increased during
the quarter from 64 million in the fourth quarter of fiscal
2002 to $70.9 million in the fourth quarter of this fiscal
year.
For
the year ended February 28, 2003, net sales from continuing
operations increased to $302.1 million from $281.9 million
in the comparable prior year period. Net loss from continuing
operations for this fiscal year was $2.5 million or 15
cents per share versus the loss of $2.8 million or 17
cents per share in the prior fiscal year. Included in
the fourth quarter and prior fiscal year 2002 results
is a one time charge of $1.1 million, representing impairment
for the valuation of goodwill. This impairment accounted
for a loss from continuing operations for both the year
and fourth quarter in fiscal 2002 of seven cents per share.
There was no comparable charge in fiscal 2003, nor is
there any remaining goodwill on the balance sheet.
On
August 23, 2001, the company sold its contract manufacturing
business in Springfield, Mass. There is no net income
from this discontinued operation in this fiscal year for
the quarter or the year ended February 28, 2003 or for
the quarter ended February 28, 2002. Net income from this
operation was $799,000 or five cents per share for the
prior year ended February 28, 2002 and in addition to
an approximate $4.2 million after tax gain in that period.
The
balance sheet was further strengthened during the year
as a result of $31 million in free cash flow resulting
from continued reductions in accounts receivable and inventory
in our core component distribution business. This has
allowed us to liquidate our remaining long-term debt and
generate a cash position of approximately $31 million
at year end. We continue to maintain a strong equity position
of approximately $124 million with a working capital ratio
of 6.2 to one. Now I will turn the call back over to Arthur.
Thank you, Paul. Before I turn the call over for
questions, I just wanted to make a few additional comments
relating to our ongoing initiatives and investments for
the future.
Truly,
the last two years have been extremely disappointing for
ourselves as well as our entire industry. We believe we
have and are investing in strategies and initiatives to
best take advantage of our strengths, to expand into new
markets and technologies. Among those are our strong balance
sheet to finance our strategies.
We
continue to focus our line card heavily on non-commodity,
high technology, high ASP products. An equally focused
sales and engineering staff dedicated to providing our
customer product solutions and design assistance and not
just electronic components. Our manageable size, which
allows for quick decisions, as well as changes in strategies
and general flexibility, which may be missing among many
of our competitors in the marketplace.
I'd
like to review some of our strategies and initiatives
for the future. General domestic developments: recently
due to industry developments and opportunities, we're
able to further upgrade our sales and engineering staff
with the addition of highly qualified personnel that became
available in the marketplace. These additions, coupled
with hubbing of our inside sales functions in specific
markets should provide us with more feet on the street
and less related administrative costs.
RF
microwave effort: our intention is to provide stronger
technical and system solutions to our customers, utilizing
RF microwave and wireless technologies and to enhance
our future sales prospects. The RF microwave segment of
the component market represents the North American detam
[sp] of $1.5 billion with substantial market growth predicted
to anticipate significant demand for wireless devices
and wireless broadband access.
We
are now in the final stages of negotiating several new
franchise suppliers to support this initiative. Tightened
supply chain services concept, which is to provide contracted
supply chain solutions on a project-by-project and customer-by-customer
basis, continues to show promise with additional acceptance
among component manufacturers desiring to out source the
direct non-distribution business. This was further evident
with the test semiconductor announced last Fall, the selection
of Titan to provide their direct customers in Asia with
local order fulfillment and logistic services. Most recently,
the test has expanded the use of Titan Services to include
the North American market. In addition, Titan has also
added Toshiba and Motorola to its customer base and has
been making steady progress and increasing its business
as a supply chain service provider.
Our
Asian initiative: As we discussed in our last conference
call, the company believes we must strongly engage in
the Asian semiconductor market. We successfully entered
the market several years ago through our passive component
subsidiary, NIC Components. We are now continuing the
process of implementing our entry into the market with
our subsidiary, Nu Horizons Asia. I am pleased to report
that the initiative is progressing smoothly and successfully.
Nu Horizons, not including NIC Asia, is currently employing
over 35 people and has opened offices in four countries,
including Singapore, Hong Kong, Mainland China, Malaysia
and Korea, and we plan to open two additional offices
in Taiwan and India.
We
are also on the verge of expanding to a new and larger
warehouse facility in Singapore, as well as a warehouse
right near Shanghai. Coupled with this progress, it is
a record book to bill with each of the three last months
showing double-digit sales increase.
In
conclusion, on a positive note, it should be noted that
while the market declined 58% from its peak over the last
two years, we have moved from being 65% reliant on telecom
to less than 40% while expanding in the industrial, medical
and security and instrumentation segments. In addition,
we have increased our market share of the North American
distribution total available market over the past year
by 43% to 5.3% of the total market. We continue to be
optimistic about the future but cautious in the near term.
I will now open the conference call to questions.
Thank you, sir. The question and answer session will begin
at this time. If you are using a speaker phone, please
pick up the handset before pressing any numbers. If you
have a question, please press star, one on your push button
telephone. If you wish to withdraw your question, please
press the star, two. Your question will be taken in the
order that it is received. Please stand by for your first
question. Our first question comes from Matt Sheerin with
Thomas Weisel Partners. Please state your question.
Thank you. Hi, Arthur. It sounds like you folks
are a little bit more positive in terms of the demand
environment that you've been in a while. It sounds like
book to bill is pretty positive. Could you just tell us
where you're seeing the strength? Any particular end markets
or regions? And then also, what kind of sales are you
seeing in Asia right now and as a percentage of overall
revenue, and where do you think that can go?
First of all, as I mentioned, not that the telecom
market is dead by any means, but we have shifted a lot
of our initiatives and customer base into areas of industrial
segments. As I security, [unintelligible] and medical.
But overall, I just think we're penetrating more of the
detam [sp], the top customers in the detam that really
are growing today. And that's been a strong focus for
us, is penetrating into that customer base. Obviously,
the networking in wireless is still pretty strong, and
certainly the military has picked up for us as well.
OK. And what about Asia?
Well, as far as Asia, the last three months have
been up into the right both in bookings and in sales.
Last month it was their best booking month. They booked
in excess of $2 million. They'll do better this month.
And I believe they shipped -- Paul, do you have that number?
For last month?
Yeah.
They shipped about a million, two I believe.
A million, two shipment.
We're talking Nu Horizons now.
Sure.
[Unintelligible] not NIC.
Gotcha. OK. So it's off of a low base, obviously,
but lots of room to grow. And what, in terms of -- it
sounds like, you said book to bill shows where you're
looking at double digit increase. You only have two weeks
to go in the May quarter. What kind of growth are you
looking for sequentially in the May quarter, roughly?
I mean, single digits, low single digits?
It will probably be in the low single digits.
OK. With better growth in August if things continue?
Yes.
OK. Then can you just give us some color, Arthur,
on just NIC. I know there's been a lot of pricing pressure
on impassives. What percentage of sales is NIC of the
overall business now and how do you see NIC position to
you in terms of pricing and revenue going forward?
Well, I have Ritchie Ritchie [sp] sitting here with me,
so I'll let him pick up on the NIC.
It's running around 15% of the total sales [inaudible]
buyer. Our [inaudible]
Mr. Durando, I'm sorry to interrupt; your line is no longer
clear. Have you done something different?
Our line?
Yes, sir.
No, not at all.
All right. You may proceed.
OK. Now can you hear me?
Yeah, I can if you can speak up just a little
bit.
Sure. OK. I'm sorry. As I -- just to reiterate,
our sales are about 15% of the total number, 15% or slightly
higher, and our profit levels have been actually holding
steady, but the ASP of past components continues to come
down; we still see price erosion. We're starting to see
these up, however, and we believe that it should stabilize
over the next quarter or two. In the meantime, our factory
course will come down, so we've been able to keep our
margins steadily where we think they should be.
And then are you looking at a positive book to
bill as well, Ritchie?
Yes, we are, actually.
OK. Great. Thanks a lot, guys.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Rob Damron with
Worth West Securities. Please state your question.
Good afternoon. Just a question about the gross
margin trend. If we look back a few years ago, a company
enjoyed very nice gross margins in the low 20's and now
we've kind of seen it pull back into the 17-1/2, 18 percent
range. Maybe you could talk about your mix between fulfillment
and demand creation currently, and then if we get into
a better environment and some of the demand creation services
actually result in production, the price going into production,
will that raise the gross margin, or are we expected to
see kind of the 18% gross margin going forward? Just give
us some thoughts on that perspective.
You know, yes, we have been doing more fulfillment business,
and as a percentage our design win revenue, though, has
been increasing, but it's not high enough, and the design
win margins have been really staying fairly stable, in
the low 20's. So, yes, part of it is because some of the
designs have not come to fruition, some of the larger
engagements, but when I say a design win revenue, a bigger
piece of our revenue sales today are coming from inception
of our design wins. It's just not the larger pieces of
business. So I think it's mostly some of the large fulfillment
deals that we're doing today that has really affected
the margin and hasn't been on the demand creation site.
What is the split in revenue between fulfillment
and the design win revenue?
Tough -- I don't have that number in front of me, Rob,
to be honest with you.
OK. And then just in terms of the pricing environment,
you mentioned a little bit about the passive business,
but how about semis? Are you seeing any stability in pricing
from that perspective?
I think in most areas of the semis, certainly on some
of the proprietary product, pricing has stabilized. You
know, you still see a little bit on the low end commodity,
but I think that has also gotten to a point where the
suppliers are just really have hit bottom. And I think
that they're just really starting to stick to pricing.
And we've seen some lead time start to go out. So that
in itself is going to stabilize the pricing. I mean, you
always get just one or two deals maybe on a piece of flash
or something where there's real pricing pressure because
there's one particular big deal on the market and everyone
is all over it. But the prices have not gone down to the
level they have, and it's a question of relationship and
servicing of a customer and that's really winning the
business today.
OK. And last question, in terms of the additional
investments in Asia, should we assume slightly higher
SG&A expense going forward as a result of that, or
maybe you could quantify for us how much incremental SG&A
that might be.
I'll take a shot at answering that. I think you've got
to figure on the SG&A going forward in the range of
15.7-1/4 to 15.9 tops, but 15.7 probably more likely,
and that's now with almost everything in place, including
additional personnel, even the states and most of the
people are going to be hiring in Asia. So, yes, this is
--
Wait. We were just at 14.6 this quarter.
Right.
So we're -- you're expecting the May quarter the
SG&A to be in the 15.7 range?
That's right. Because almost all of the incremental expense
came on I would say in the last few weeks of February
and the beginning of March. So you're going to see a bump
here, but if you'll recall, back in the Fall we indicated
the bump might even be larger than that, and I think we've
kind of contained it to where we may -- that level may
be where we're going to be for a while.
OK. So if you -- if I do the math back in the
envelope, it looks like the loss for the May quarter will
be greater than the loss we saw in the February quarter?
Slightly. Not that much, because we should have some additional
sales to offset some of that increase.
OK. All right. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Elliot Glazer
with Du Pasquier & Company. Please state your question.
Yes, gentlemen, can you give us some further details
or color on the book to bill? Was it closer to 1.2 or
1.1, for example?
It was closer to 1.1, Elliot.
E.
Glazer: OK. All right. Thanks an awful lot.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Hank Erlich with
Trident Partners. Please state your question.
Yes. The stock price has been somewhat of a disappointment,
you along with others. Can you comment on some levels
of where you think you have to get to turn this into a
growth story? I mean, what kind of increases in revenue
and maybe some bottom line earnings and get back to some
of the old glory days, or at least a positive trend?
Well, yes, even though you hear a lot of people, and certainly
we're all waiting for the industry to turn, but we do
feel that with some of the infrastructure we've put in
place that we as a company could start to turn and hopefully
become profitable with some of the initiatives that we
have instituted. Certainly the industry turnings have
been making a big difference for everyone. It's certainly
taken many more quarters than any of us have anticipated.
So it's very hard to predict at this point, to answer
your question, when some of those things will happen.
I can tell you that we have taken a track that the company
does have cash, we have no debt, very strong balance sheet.
There's some major opportunities that we have taken advantage
within the company, the position of the company and strengthen
it, and that's been both on the supplier to customer side
as well as additional people, primarily people that are
in the face of the customer.
Obviously,
I know everyone is sitting out there and saying, you know,
when does it get to a point where these investments are
going to turn into an ROI, and do we have a contingency
plan if things don't work out, and the answer is yes,
we do. We have chose not to have a layoff within the company.
Many of our competitors and other companies have so-called
thrown the baby out with the bath water. We've taken advantage
of that.
Recently,
we've hired a number of very strong people that, because
of changes within the industry, through acquisitions,
became available. Already we're seeing very strong new
customer base coming to us because of their relationships,
very new bookings of types of business we never would
have had. So we feel that this is just -- you know, it's
a snowball kind of rolling and I think that we're going
to be getting stronger very soon.
Yeah, is there any percentage -- like do you feel
like if your earnings -- I'm sorry, if your sales were
to go up five or 10 percent, or do you need like 30% increase
in revenues to spot hitting something on to the bottom
line?
We could give you a number. We probably need, depending
on the gross margin -- right -- about another 20% growth
in sales revenue. And of course, that's dependent on the
GP to really start to show profit. Obviously, if we can
get the GP up a point then you're going to need less sales.
So we're focusing on both very carefully now. We're certainly
focusing very strongly on our cost of sales.
I
mentioned in the script that we have done some hubbing
as far as inside sales, which we think makes a lot of
sense; a lot of our competitors are doing it as well.
We're still keeping bricks and mortar and engineering
and our staff in the strong markets we have to be, but
we feel this would be more cost effective and we'll be
able to service our customers better. So there's a lot
of things we're doing in the background that are helping
us.
As
far as the Asia expansion, if we were no in Asia today,
we probably wouldn't have any of those sales because most
of the sales we're engaging with are designs that we've
done in North America. So we're very happy with what Asia
is doing today, and we feel they're growing even faster
than our budget plan has been. Actually, Asia over the
last couple of months has been close to an operating --
they have been in operating break even, which for us was
a very good surprise.
Could this take a few years to become a growth
story again, though?
No. I really -- God forbid. I can't put a date on it,
but we're certainly much closer to getting better than
--
You know, you have to remember something; statistics are
a funny game. Right now coming off of $70 million factor,
when Arthur says 20 million, we're really only talking
about 15 million in sales.
Twenty percent.
Yeah, 20%. So it's 20% of a number that's fairly low right
now. So it's a very doable thing if we get any kind of
pop in the marketplace and any kind of success in Asia.
So we certainly would be disappointed with a two year
schedule; that's for sure.
OK, thank you.
Our next question comes from David Heger with Kennedy
Capital. Please state your question.
Thanks. I was just curious about inventory levels
overall in the industry and do you feel like they're under
control now and is that one of the reasons why it looks
like book to bill has been rising and pricing pressure
seems to be coming down?
Yes, we feel our inventories are fairly well under control.
We feel the mix is very, very good. We watch it very closely.
We have very strong systems and history in the computer.
So inventory for us is not an issue right now.
And as far as the industry as a whole?
The industry, there's probably still some excess in the
commodity world, but it's certainly down quite a bit from
the 15 billion it was in excess two and a half years ago.
So once in a while you find a pocket. But we're seeing
that has certainly gone down and we feel inventories have
gone down in many of our supplies as well.
So,
therefore, you better have a good inventory control because
this still -- you know, even thought the market has taken
two and a half years to turn and it certainly could be
a slow turn, it could also be a strong "V" turn.
We could all wake up one day and we're doing this a long
time and before you know it there's panic in the streets
and the lead times are way out. You know, fabs have been
cooled down. So that could happen as well and I wouldn't
be surprised if it did. You know, it's been three years
since Y2K and IT has been upgraded and cap ex and at some
point that's all going to hit.
Have you guys found that just because companies
themselves have been keeping such lean inventories that
you're starting to run into some short lead times and
kind of scrambling around just because everyone through
the chain has been trying to keep things leaner?
Yes, I think that's a situation. Also, you know, today
we have the contract manufacturing customer base, which
we haven't had years ago, and that kind of changes the
picture also because they got their way of purchasing
inventory and part of the problem we had the glut was
a lot of a duplicate of inventory and purchasing and so
you've got to be very careful of that as well. You know,
fortunately for us a lot of the products that we handle
are proprietary, they're specific to a customer application,
non-commodity, and you don't get double or triple ordering
in that. So we try to watch that very carefully.
OK, thanks.
Our next question comes from Joe Goldstein with Goldstein
Associates. Please state your question. Mr. Goldstein,
sir, your line is live [No response]. Our next question
comes from Brian Alexander with Raymond James. Please
state your question.
Thanks. Good afternoon. Just a follow-up on
the pricing question earlier. I guess a couple of your
larger competitors had pretty different trends in pricing
in their business in the March quarter, so I guess what
it sound like you're saying is you're more in the camp
of stability than what one of your competitors said, which
was double digit declines in certain parts.
Yeah, and you know also you've got to take the passives
and the actives and really kind of look at them a little
bit differently as far as the pricing stability. And certainly
as we said on the Nu Horizon side, our mix is more --
higher ASP items than most of our competitors and more
-- made by less manufacturers than a lot of the commodity
items. So you don't have as much of the pricing pressure.
I mean, you take Tomati [sp] Linear, the same parts made
by 10 different manufacturers, and a lot of product we
sell is made by maybe one or two, maybe three in some
cases. And on the passive side, Rich, you may want to
comment on the pricing there.
Well, there's still price erosion, as you know,
and I think you'll continue to see some. But quite frankly,
it has definitely slowed down. Where you might have seen
10% price erosion in the quarter, you're now seeing maybe
three or four percent. And I have to tell you that I am
seeing some of our competitors walk away from business
at certain price levels. So I believe you're pretty close
to rock bottom right now, and while we see some of our
competitors in the passive arena losing money, we're starting
to see some push back and say, you know, we're not going
to take the business at a loss anymore.
And Arthur, you mentioned that there are certain
instances where lead times are expanding. Any way to quantify
that and give us a little bit more color on where you're
seeing lead times extend?
You know, we're seeing, certainly in the analog
space to some degree, some of the wireless networking
products. Some of the high end at PGA areas. When I say
expanding, I'm not saying lead times are drastic, but
they have moved out from a book, ship type of thing.
OK, thank you very much.
Sure.
Our last question comes again from Rob Damron with Southwest
Securities. Please state your question.
Yes, I just had a question for Paul. If you look
at the minority interest line, that number has kind of
jumped around a little bit, especially in this latest
quarter. What should we expect, or why did that occur
this quarter and what should we expect [crosstalk].
Well, we bought back a piece of the minority
interest and I had a little catch-up to do on that from
an accounting viewpoint so that the number was a little
higher than you would normally see. But that should go
back to normal.
OK, thank you.
If there are no further questions, I will now turn the
conference back to Mr. Nadata for closing comments.
Well, thank you all for being on the call. We
appreciate your support and we look forward to updating
you in the future. Thank you all very much.
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